A friend of mine asked, in her journal:

topic posted Thu, November 29, 2007 - 9:31 AM by  Sierra
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"A friend of mine asked, in her journal" and posted in his. I thought this would make a great topic in this tribe.

"what ever happend to the guys out there that actually ENJOY pampering females with romance? Im talkin ROMANCE People.....sending us flowers or hell...even just leaving a single rose on my car....a simple note saying "thinking of you"on my windshield.....??? dropping something sweet at my work.....even sending a note in the (eeegads...) SNAIL MAIL.....???!! surprising us with those enviable concert tix we've been lusting after?....whisking us away to some small, lovely, low lit candle lite dinner.....picnic basket and a blanket at a park?..... Opening the car doo EVERY TIME we get in or out? holding the door open to wherever we are going? and dare I say it but to actually STAND UP from the table whenever I leave??.......I miss these sorts of lovely sentiments.....maybe it's just an era that has come & gone? tragically... CHIVALRY... MANNERS... ROMANCE>... is this just TOO MUCH to ask for these days? "

I told her that women had killed it off and every time it pops up they stomp it to death again.

Any thoughts?



My answer

My two cents

While women’s independency has had an effect on the romantic aspects and declining romantic endeavors from men it is not the cause of the decline or “death”. In my experience and in talking to other women, men (in regards to my experience) have become lazy and jaded.

(Again, in regards to my personal experience and story sharing)

They have become intimidated by women’s ability to
Protect our selves
- Just because they can doesn’t mean they want to have to do it all the time. Yes it may be shallow but we occasionally we like to feel protected

Make equal salary
- We want and strive to make an equal salary because we deserve it not because we intentionally (not all) want to show we are better or smarter than men

Can provide for our selves
- This goes along the same lines as protection. Whether it is sex fulfillment, adventure, housing ect… we can do it ourselves. However, we still like to feel as if we can ask or rely on our partner to help us or even take over if he (or she) can do so willingly because they want to help make it easier for us.

Lastly, Gawd I hate it when guys get lazy and say things like they don’t think they have / should have to “work” for our attention after they “have” us. If men would take their head out of their ass they would see that women often do the same little things “just because” no reason other than “just because”.

Just Because are the little ways of saying you love her, you care about her, you appreciate her and your glad she is in your life. If you (men) do not love her, do not care about her and you really don’t appreciate her and could care very little if she is or is not in your life why are you with her? Especially if you know she thinks you do?



(added & agree with)

Ladies, if you expect a man to go out of his way with gestures like flowers, notes, etc. You've got to be ready to do the same for him.

There are a ton of guys out there willing to go the extra mile to show a woman how much he cares, but being a bitch when it DOESN'T happen will only ensure that it stays that way.

So, Saint, tell your friend that one of two things is happening if all guys treat her the same way:

1. She's not dating the right type of man. Tehy are out there.

2. Maybe the problem isn't the men.....

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  • Re: A friend of mine asked, in her journal:

    Sat, December 1, 2007 - 2:17 PM
    Men run the gamut from empathetic saint (myself) to abusive jerk, and a given man will slide around a little based on circumstances.

    Women range from farm girl (can do it all herself and will probably hit you back if you're stupid enough to abuse her) to princess (why _can't_ you read my mind?). Again, a given woman will show some aspects different types in varying ratios.

    In addition to this finickiness factor, there are such things as looks, money, intelligence, humor, age, politics, and life path. When you consider that the attraction has to go both ways, it's a wonder any two people get together at all.

    Taking personal preference out of the mix for a moment, there are those who have a high market value. Being in demand, perhaps they want someone of high market value also. It makes sense for these people to hold out. Putting personal preference and ego back in, we have to consider the value we give ourselves (which may be inflated or deflated), the value others give us in general, and the value someone we value gives us. When all that matches well for two people, they tend to get together.

    But what do you do while you're holding out? How do you find your soul mate if you don't dip your toes in the water? Besides, loneliness really sucks.

    So, people relax their standards. Maybe a short-term relationship becomes a longer one just because it's easier than breaking up. At some point, people consider their market worth and their partners'. The one with the higher value has the "power" in the relationship. Sometimes both think they have the power.

    Typically, the one without the power becomes subservient. The bigger the mismatch, the greater the effect. Unfortunately, subservience isn't that sexy. So, if you have a big mismatch, the power partner eventually loses interest.

    Alright, here's where I bring it all together: If you are not the power partner, you have to act like it anyway so you don't turn off your partner. And if you are the power partner, you act like it because you are, and it's more fun.

    So, in those rare instances where both parties are really into each other, and know the other is into it too, and neither is too finicky, well, those are the ecstatic couples that creep the rest of us out a little bit. But if either one is settling, than the situation turns into a kind of cold war with sex on the side pretty quickly.

    Only half of this explanation boils down to "he's just not that into you." The other half is "you're just not that into him, so he's not going to go out on a limb."

    The take home message is to decide what is important to you and do what it takes to get it. If you want Mr. Romance, stop dating guys who aren't (at least not a second date). This may mean you have to compromise on something else (looks is a good category, good-looking guys are often not above exploiting their gifts), or you'll just have to wait longer. But sitting around home doesn't do any good, so you need to get out there and meet people, but they need to be the kind of guys your looking for. Charity work is often full of nice guys.

    And if you like notes and flowers and little gestures, let people know by doing it yourself! Maybe giving guys flowers is a bit much, but if you tuck a few cute "thinking of you" hand-written cards, the guy is going to realize you're into that. Either it will drive him away 'cus he doesn't like that kind of thing, or it will let him know this is the kind of thing you like. If you want to attract something, be it.

    What you can't do, at least not reliably, is to find the guy who is perfect except that romance thing, and then change him. That's not saying guys never change, but if he figures out what you like early on and doesn't start giving it to you pretty quickly, he's not going to do it willingly. And forcing someone to change never works. It may look like it's working, but you end up with hidden resentment that fester and lead to phenomenal failures (think Shakespearean tragedy).

    That's my take on it.

    Cheers,
    -bender
    • the question was

      Sun, December 2, 2007 - 6:24 PM
      "what ever happened to the guys out there that actually ENJOY pampering females with romance?


      While I understand and even agree to what you said the idea of what happened to romance is the actual question and in my opinion has been lost of most people from the ages 25 to 50. My two cents is that many men have become lazy, jaded and or believe they shouldn't have to do anything to 'win over' women. While I do believe it is a two way street of who does the winning over I also see a lot of women (that I choose to socialize with) showing that they appreciate the men they are dating but the men do not do anything in return. They simply say things like "I'm not good at that kind of thing." My only response is "than don't expect to date quality women."

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